Frame ID help

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pht9
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Frame ID help

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I have been offered an NS400R, the frame sequential number starts with a 1 not a 2 as I see everywhere else

can someone take a look at this for me and advise ?

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Channel Hopper
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If you look at the detail Alastair posted on the thread below

http://www.ns400r.co.uk/forum/viewtopic ... 1fb2b9c6ee

you can see some frames do start with '1', and without learning Japanese it looks like they are series A

It doesn't help with mine though :shock:

http://visualopiate.com/images/nsvin.jpg

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thanks for referring - I did search the archive, but did not find that information

do we know at which point with the 1xxxxxx series they switched to the 2xxxxxx version ?

Its first registration is detailed as 1/7/1986, but guess it could have been produced much earlier

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There are a few bikes on series 1 out there, but the date system is clouded by the time of registration around the world, presumably since sales would be slow.

Dealers may also have been taking the bodywork off newer - and slower Rothmans - deliveries out of the crate to shift the older ones, based on specific Honda wins on the racetrack.

I found this one last night to prove frame , and engine numbering is no guarantee of a recent factory production,

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24885/ ... egory=list

the happy owner would have had the gearbox and fuel issues of the Mk1 in 1988 :(

On the CMSNL site the 1985 European (F) model has frame part number 50100KM9640, the Canadian 1986 (G) 50100KM9720 and the South African (F) as
50100KM9710. I would assume the Japan frame is different again, possibly down to the way the chassis number is stamped on the frame, plus lack of a vin plate location on the downtube.

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Possible confirmation the home grown NS from 1985 was the one with series 100XXXX numbers, or perhaps 1985 production in general

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/1985-Honda-NS40 ... 2655474033

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is there a sequence of frame numbers that determine Country of origin ?

the bike that I'm considering was shipped from the UK to Europe 10+ years ago, appears to be EU spec, but don't know the original UK registration number

Is there a way to find this out ?

Maybe HPI check the frame number ?.....

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this is the bike in question

Can someone help identify the mirrors, are they incorrect replacements, or from a particular Country specification ?

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Mirrors are wrong for any market. I do make replicas of the real thing.

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Strange front end and indicator layout

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Channel Hopper wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 11:51 pm
Strange front end and indicator layout
I'd welcome your further comments

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From what I recall from purchases a few years back, almost all the early bikes had outboard indicators front and rear, regardless of the paint scheme

For example

https://ns400r.co.uk/ns400r/gallery/arjen.jpg
Or
https://ns400r.co.uk/ns400r/gallery/Channel_Hopper.jpg :D

When Honda started with the front mudguard buildups that was when the front indicators had their stalks removed, ala

https://ns400r.co.uk/ns400r/gallery/NS400R-85%2001.jpg

and then on to the fully enclosed variety.

download/file.php?id=1103&mode=view

but yours has the primary skirts only, suggesting it is perhaps an 'F' UK model as per the CMS web page parts list.

I would suggest your fairing comes from a different bike to the frame, or the forks/front end has been replaced at some point . Absolutely nothing wrong with that of course if all runs as it should and yours is cleaner (and probably faster) than the Rothmans version has a right to be. 8)

It could just be the wine, or the cider of course.

Do you have a red light on the speedometer ?

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there is no red light in the Speedo - thanks for the advice and information listed

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Just to confuse the issue my NS was registered 20/8/85 and is in the series NC19-2000000 and is definitely a uk bike!

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There isn't an issue with UK registered bikes having either primary code number

Pht9 has an eu registered 400.

Unless I've missed some detail.

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